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	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: FLETCH</title>
		<link>http://www.arenamagazine.co.uk/news/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-28462</link>
		<dc:creator>FLETCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the original idea behind the mag (I think) was for people who’d outgrown The Face, but we’re too young/underpaid for the likes of GQ. 

I’m still in the target late-20s to early-30s range and I thought it was bang on the money in the days of Quirk, Bell, Beale, Wilson etc. 

It seems to be far more fashion and grooming oriented now, and from a commercial point of view that makes sense. A lot of mags are going that way – I even saw grooming stuff in Loaded a while back. When I was there on work experience in the 90s we used to laugh at people when they phoned up asking for the person who dealt with grooming - clearly they’d never read the mag. But one sales war with FHM later…

If Arena needs to do that to get sales up then fine. The online section can do the things that are tough to sell around and don’t please advertisers – often the things I’m more interested in. Things like Hollie’s pop-culture commentary for a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the original idea behind the mag (I think) was for people who’d outgrown The Face, but we’re too young/underpaid for the likes of GQ. </p>
<p>I’m still in the target late-20s to early-30s range and I thought it was bang on the money in the days of Quirk, Bell, Beale, Wilson etc. </p>
<p>It seems to be far more fashion and grooming oriented now, and from a commercial point of view that makes sense. A lot of mags are going that way – I even saw grooming stuff in Loaded a while back. When I was there on work experience in the 90s we used to laugh at people when they phoned up asking for the person who dealt with grooming - clearly they’d never read the mag. But one sales war with FHM later…</p>
<p>If Arena needs to do that to get sales up then fine. The online section can do the things that are tough to sell around and don’t please advertisers – often the things I’m more interested in. Things like Hollie’s pop-culture commentary for a start.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody T</title>
		<link>http://www.arenamagazine.co.uk/news/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-28249</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep the late 80's - very late of course... I remember the Kathryn Flett days of '92 onwards were always good. The magazine has changed with the times obviously but the quality and tone havent in my opinion thats why I have always been so loyal. Yes there are dips, I miss the Grub Smith articles and Steve Beales content always hit the mark - not being a writer myself it has always appeared to me that certain writers 'just know'.

I did flatley refuse to buy an issue once which led to a 3 or 4 month enforced hiatus on principle for me as Chris Evans was on the front cover...now they were dark days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep the late 80&#8217;s - very late of course&#8230; I remember the Kathryn Flett days of &#8216;92 onwards were always good. The magazine has changed with the times obviously but the quality and tone havent in my opinion thats why I have always been so loyal. Yes there are dips, I miss the Grub Smith articles and Steve Beales content always hit the mark - not being a writer myself it has always appeared to me that certain writers &#8216;just know&#8217;.</p>
<p>I did flatley refuse to buy an issue once which led to a 3 or 4 month enforced hiatus on principle for me as Chris Evans was on the front cover&#8230;now they were dark days.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.arenamagazine.co.uk/news/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-28246</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, since the late 80s; is it even the same magazine? That’s like an Elizabethan axe that’s had two new heads and three new handles.

I started reading during Anthony Noguera’s editorship, and maybe it’s like Bond where the actor who’s playing him when you start becomes your favourite.

As recently as the last few issues the quality of the content seems to be rising again after a bit of a protracted dip in my opinion – where I just wouldn’t read it all, only parts of it – but the design of the magazine at the moment... you know I don’t like it; I’m on the letters page of the most recent issue, which, with its dark, busy, matte-finish cover, looks like an issue of Hotdog magazine. Not threatening to stop buying like the blog says though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, since the late 80s; is it even the same magazine? That’s like an Elizabethan axe that’s had two new heads and three new handles.</p>
<p>I started reading during Anthony Noguera’s editorship, and maybe it’s like Bond where the actor who’s playing him when you start becomes your favourite.</p>
<p>As recently as the last few issues the quality of the content seems to be rising again after a bit of a protracted dip in my opinion – where I just wouldn’t read it all, only parts of it – but the design of the magazine at the moment&#8230; you know I don’t like it; I’m on the letters page of the most recent issue, which, with its dark, busy, matte-finish cover, looks like an issue of Hotdog magazine. Not threatening to stop buying like the blog says though.</p>
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		<title>By: Arena</title>
		<link>http://www.arenamagazine.co.uk/news/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-28245</link>
		<dc:creator>Arena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hollie is allowed to write about indie bands! Here's the last thing she wrote if you would like to see why, despite a controversial taste in pubs, she is our music editor: http://www.arenamagazine.co.uk/?p=1033</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hollie is allowed to write about indie bands! Here&#8217;s the last thing she wrote if you would like to see why, despite a controversial taste in pubs, she is our music editor: <a href="http://www.arenamagazine.co.uk/?p=1033" rel="nofollow">http://www.arenamagazine.co.uk/?p=1033</a></p>
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		<title>By: FLETCH</title>
		<link>http://www.arenamagazine.co.uk/news/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-28231</link>
		<dc:creator>FLETCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt a bit sorry for that Max fella. When I was 19, I was writing for my local paper and would have been delighted to have the opportunity to write for The Guardian - even if it took a word in the right ear from my dad. And what dad wouldn’t want to help out their son?  

I’d then be gutted to see such a negative response and lose the job, based not on my writing, but seemingly on how I got the gig. 

I’m 33 now and still a journalist. There’s nepotism in every industry, especially the media, and I’ve both missed out on jobs and landed them because of it. 

And having just read Hollie’s post above, for God’s sake let her write about indie bands. It’s a blog, it’s not like you’re going to run out of room on the page is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt a bit sorry for that Max fella. When I was 19, I was writing for my local paper and would have been delighted to have the opportunity to write for The Guardian - even if it took a word in the right ear from my dad. And what dad wouldn’t want to help out their son?  </p>
<p>I’d then be gutted to see such a negative response and lose the job, based not on my writing, but seemingly on how I got the gig. </p>
<p>I’m 33 now and still a journalist. There’s nepotism in every industry, especially the media, and I’ve both missed out on jobs and landed them because of it. </p>
<p>And having just read Hollie’s post above, for God’s sake let her write about indie bands. It’s a blog, it’s not like you’re going to run out of room on the page is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jody T</title>
		<link>http://www.arenamagazine.co.uk/news/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-28224</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What irritated me (but in a funny way, honest) was the 'Londoncentric' angle on Hollies piece, anyone outside of London hates to here 'Camden this' and 'Soho that'. Oh and the name droppy tone, maybe I was just tired when I read it...

I like the mixture of writing styles in the mag and on this site, the mixture keeps people coming back. But I’m guessing that I am probably one of the older crowd that visit this place - I have been buying Arena since the late 80's and im going through a transition right now and finding it difficult to adjust to the new school coming through with their skinny jeans and cutting edge synth lines - to quote Mark Kermode 'All of these garage/guitar bands just sound like Gang of Four to me'. I stick with things loyally through good and bad, I have signed up for another years subscription for the mag so its too fucking late now anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What irritated me (but in a funny way, honest) was the &#8216;Londoncentric&#8217; angle on Hollies piece, anyone outside of London hates to here &#8216;Camden this&#8217; and &#8216;Soho that&#8217;. Oh and the name droppy tone, maybe I was just tired when I read it&#8230;</p>
<p>I like the mixture of writing styles in the mag and on this site, the mixture keeps people coming back. But I’m guessing that I am probably one of the older crowd that visit this place - I have been buying Arena since the late 80&#8217;s and im going through a transition right now and finding it difficult to adjust to the new school coming through with their skinny jeans and cutting edge synth lines - to quote Mark Kermode &#8216;All of these garage/guitar bands just sound like Gang of Four to me&#8217;. I stick with things loyally through good and bad, I have signed up for another years subscription for the mag so its too fucking late now anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: benc</title>
		<link>http://www.arenamagazine.co.uk/news/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-28203</link>
		<dc:creator>benc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>surely Max's crime was a crushing lack of self-awareness - nothing more. The site editors were the ones who should have known better. I guess on those same principles Emma should have just not published it. But...Hollie's post is topical and reasonably relevant. Max's post could have come from any time in the last 15 years. There's nothing you haven't heard before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>surely Max&#8217;s crime was a crushing lack of self-awareness - nothing more. The site editors were the ones who should have known better. I guess on those same principles Emma should have just not published it. But&#8230;Hollie&#8217;s post is topical and reasonably relevant. Max&#8217;s post could have come from any time in the last 15 years. There&#8217;s nothing you haven&#8217;t heard before.</p>
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		<title>By: Hollie</title>
		<link>http://www.arenamagazine.co.uk/news/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-28199</link>
		<dc:creator>Hollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd like to point out that I didn't really want to write a blog about the Hawley, I prefer writing obscure indie band reviews or fashion write-ups, but I suppose Emma got a bit bored of no one reading them and insisted I do one about the Camden fire. Perhaps she thought you might like it in the same way people like Nathan Barley. I appreciate Emma accrediting  the irritatingness of my writing to my youth, but I think it's probably more down to my general demeanour. I can't imagine any of you would be thrilled if you went to your local four nights a week and it burned down, but that fact is that my local happens to be the most over-exposed, pretentious place in town. I'd guess that's more the issue with regards to my blog..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to point out that I didn&#8217;t really want to write a blog about the Hawley, I prefer writing obscure indie band reviews or fashion write-ups, but I suppose Emma got a bit bored of no one reading them and insisted I do one about the Camden fire. Perhaps she thought you might like it in the same way people like Nathan Barley. I appreciate Emma accrediting  the irritatingness of my writing to my youth, but I think it&#8217;s probably more down to my general demeanour. I can&#8217;t imagine any of you would be thrilled if you went to your local four nights a week and it burned down, but that fact is that my local happens to be the most over-exposed, pretentious place in town. I&#8217;d guess that&#8217;s more the issue with regards to my blog..</p>
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		<title>By: Arena</title>
		<link>http://www.arenamagazine.co.uk/news/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-28198</link>
		<dc:creator>Arena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no! The shame! I do know that, sorry DS and sorry sorry sorry Hollie. I think I had my mind on my next Soho pint.... Emma</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no! The shame! I do know that, sorry DS and sorry sorry sorry Hollie. I think I had my mind on my next Soho pint&#8230;. Emma</p>
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		<title>By: ds</title>
		<link>http://www.arenamagazine.co.uk/news/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-28192</link>
		<dc:creator>ds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Hawley Arms isn't in Soho it's in Camden.

I thought about saying something abusive but I'll let you off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hawley Arms isn&#8217;t in Soho it&#8217;s in Camden.</p>
<p>I thought about saying something abusive but I&#8217;ll let you off.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.arenamagazine.co.uk/news/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-28189</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In defence of nepotism... if my parents were in a position to facilitate a career that I'd like then I'd hope they would do it, as it happens they're not and I'll be carving one out for myself... and then handing it to my future kids if they're interested; it's just the evolutionary - do right by your genes - urge taken to its modern human conclusion. Society will always put a cap on their progress if it's a public role and they're not any cop. Case in point. This &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; natural selection; you can't cheat it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In defence of nepotism&#8230; if my parents were in a position to facilitate a career that I&#8217;d like then I&#8217;d hope they would do it, as it happens they&#8217;re not and I&#8217;ll be carving one out for myself&#8230; and then handing it to my future kids if they&#8217;re interested; it&#8217;s just the evolutionary - do right by your genes - urge taken to its modern human conclusion. Society will always put a cap on their progress if it&#8217;s a public role and they&#8217;re not any cop. Case in point. This <i>is</i> natural selection; you can&#8217;t cheat it.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrence</title>
		<link>http://www.arenamagazine.co.uk/news/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-28125</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.  I think a lot of people would share your point of view (I do) if they didn't feel hopelessly patronised by Max Gogarty, who inadvertantly reminded everyone how hard they have to work to get anywhere near the privellige that he enjoys so freely.  

As for Hollie Moat's article (I read it after yours, which helped keep it in context) it was a bit indulgent, not all Arena readers live anywhere near or care about Camden, it's pubs or those who frequent them.  But I doubt it'll happen again as she'll be chalking it down to experience eh...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.  I think a lot of people would share your point of view (I do) if they didn&#8217;t feel hopelessly patronised by Max Gogarty, who inadvertantly reminded everyone how hard they have to work to get anywhere near the privellige that he enjoys so freely.  </p>
<p>As for Hollie Moat&#8217;s article (I read it after yours, which helped keep it in context) it was a bit indulgent, not all Arena readers live anywhere near or care about Camden, it&#8217;s pubs or those who frequent them.  But I doubt it&#8217;ll happen again as she&#8217;ll be chalking it down to experience eh&#8230;?</p>
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